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Eric Schwitzgebel

An interesting follow-up, I think, might concern statements that seem to be approximately true or to have intermediate truth values. For example, you could ask a bunch of questions, some of which might be hard to classify as simply true or simply false, and then give a Likert scale with "true" or "completely true" on one end and "false" or "completely false" on the other. At the midpoint, maybe "neither true nor false"? I'm not sure. Hypothesis: Women will use the middle the of the scale more than men, and men will use the endpoints more than women.

One big issue though (perhaps also an issue for your material above?) -- how to pry apart differences in confidence, perhaps gender related, from different attitudes toward truth.

Joe U.

Thanks Eric!

Yes; indeed, I think you're correct that an interesting follow-up study would involve testing approximations of truth. Bob and I have discussed such a modification. Besides your recommendations, there are a number of ways we have conceived of such a follow-up study. One could ask whether some statement is closer to the truth than another, or one could ask respondents to rate future contingent statements, e.g., "There will be a sea battle tomorrow," on a scale from "absolutely true" to "absolutely false." Thanks again.

Eric Schwitzgebel

Sounds good. Keep us all posted!

Jesus Zamora

I think an interesting experiment would be to describe situations in which people DON'T say the truth, and look at how men and women may differ in their judgements about whether the apeople in those situations are lying or not

Dean Eckles

For No German vs. English Only, you fail to do the appropriate test, which is a test for an interaction. Instead, you conclude there is interaction/moderation because one difference is statistically significant and the other is not. This is a common error that you should avoid.

Peter Ludlow

Gee, I never realized that Tarski had an "accurate description" theory of truth.

Jeremy Fantl

Hi Joe,

I'm not sure I'm correctly understanding the survey. Here's how I'm interpreting things, so you'll tell me if I'm going wrong. After you presented the Bruno vignette, you then asked subjects to respond to a number of statements. One of the statements was this one:

"If a claim reports how the world is, then it is true."

You then found statistically significant differences in how men and women responded. In interpreting this result, you say that "When thinking of the Bruno vignette, males tended to agree more strongly than females with the statement that a claim is true if it is an accurate description of how the world is." But the word "accurate" doesn't appear in the target statement. "saying how the world is" seems ambiguous to me between "making a claim about how the world is" and "accurately saying what the world is like". I'm inclined to interpret it in the former way, which makes the target statement false. But even if there's some gender difference in the interpretation of this ambiguous clause, this wouldn't show anything about whether there's a gender difference in conception of truth. Did you ask subjects to respond to the following statements, too?

"If a claim accurately/correctly reports how the world is, then it is true."

or

"If a claim reports how the world is, and in fact the world is that way, then it is true."

Joe U.

Thanks Jesus. Employing a vignette in which an agent doesn't tell the truth may result in some interesting findings.

Jeremy: I believe there's some background information we should make clear. We're not saying anything substantive about the content of Tarski's view. But we take him at his word that he's committed to formally capturing Aristotle's dictum as his preferred formulation of the 'ordinary view' (Tarski 1933, p. 153; Tarski 1944, pp.342, 360). Aristotle's dictum says that when what's said is an account of what has been observed in the world, that which is 'said' is true. So, a statement is true if it reports how the world is. "Accurate description" is intended as a variant of this vocabulary. We believe that reporting and accurate description are the same thing. But we're happy to do away with accurate description talk.

When you say "even if there's some gender difference in the interpretation of this ambiguous clause, this wouldn't show anything about whether there's a gender difference in conception of truth," I believe you mean to say that "this wouldn't show anything about whether there's a gender difference in the concept of truth or the folk theory of truth." We wholeheartedly agree with you! Our study was meant to get at how people conceive of truth not to outline a folk theory of truth. (Two points: (1) it might be helpful to think of our project as being aligned with what has been termed the negative project in experimental philosophy [for a brief overview of the negative project, see here ]. (2) When we employ the term "conception", we do so to avoid the more philosophically loaded term "intuition.")

We were operating with the belief that reporting how the world is is accurately describing the world. But what you've pointed out is certainly very helpful. In future studies, we may add the term 'accurately' or the phrase 'and in fact the world is that way' to the statement. That's a really helpful suggestion! Thanks very much!

Garrett Marks-Wilt

Hi Joe!

Interesting work! You may be onto something; but two quick things.

1. Like Dean, I would have liked to see the interaction (at the very least). Until then, I would consider the conclusion tentative (at the very best). But, male scores are about the same; female scores differ. So, if you can show that there is an effect of condition on females, you are definitely onto something.

2. "conceive" vs. "intuition" : Have I totally missed something? I thought the socially-agreed upon term for people's responses to thought experiments was "intuition". Did I miss out on the meeting where the x-philes agreed to start studying what people "conceive"....

(also, don't Buckwalter and Stich use the term "intuition" when studying the exact same thing: gender and responses to thought experiments. I mean...isn't it in the title: "Gender and Philosophical Intuition" or some such thing like that...)

Jeremy Fantl

Thanks, Joe. I guess I'm still a bit confused. I don't really see substantial evidence that people conceive of truth differently. And the reason is that one very natural reading of "a statement is true if it reports how the world is" is false, and I don't see how Aristotle was committed to it. Here's a statement that reports how the world is:

"The sun revolves around the earth."

That statement is false. But it makes a report of how the world is. Of course, it doesn't accurately report how the world is. You might think that I'm wrong about how "saying/reporting how the world is" should be read. But it's a very natural reading to my ear, and I don't see why the evidence you've come up with is better evidence that people conceive of truth differently than that some people read "saying how the world is" as "saying accurately how the world is" while others read "saying how the world is" as "saying (accurately or not) that the world is a certain way." So, I didn't take myself primarily as making suggestions for further study. I took myself primarily as worrying about the evidential value of this one.

Joe U.

Thanks very much Garrett and Dean! We appreciate your comments, and we are looking into the problem you both have raised regarding our statistical analysis. Don't take this as an official response, but I believe that we've not been clear in the representation of our statistical analysis. You both have observed this and -- quite correctly -- challenged us on it. Please stay tuned.

As far as (2) is concerned, my admitting to a difference between "conception" and "intuition" may be exposing something about me, rather than the discipline. Yes, Buckwalter and Stich do call responses to thought experiments "intuitions." I'm sure that others in experimental philosophy do too. But, largely because I've spent some time discussing "intuitions" with Marc Moffett and John Bengson and reading Bealer and Williamson, I stake out a fine-grained position that distinguishes between the two.

James Andow

Is the draft still available? The link in the post is not working for me at the moment.

Joe U.

Our apologies James. The paper we posted had to be taken down from the internet because it is under review at a journal that requires it not be published online and potentially available to reviewers. I will email you a copy of our historical paper on Tarski/Naess.

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