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John Dell

This is such wonderful work. It always excites me to see what you all are up to.

One idea that came to mind reading Jonathan's June 7th comment is how interesting it would be to see the quality of the protagonist changed within the varying stakes scenarios. So, for example, in both the high and low stakes counting cases you could have a college student studying accounting and a college football player. Or, you might go with a professional accountant and a sanitation worker. I think trying to incorporate an expertise element into the vignettes could really add something very valuable. It seems to me that if similar results could be obtained even when the protagonist is a supposed "counting expert" that would really say a lot about the weight the stakes (practical interests) have on the folk's knowledge attributions.

Wesley Buckwalter

@Angel, agreed! Maybe we should just run some of these cases with varying levels of epistemic standing/evidence (perhaps John Dell describes one such route concerning reliability among others), and then see at what level stakes sensitivities show up. It would be really interesting to discover that stakes only play a role when evidence is low such that subjects are said to have knowledge, but of course, not very interesting if they only show up just in cases where people don’t think subjects have knowledge either way. In other words, the advocate of stakes better hope that having enough evidence for a participant to comfortably attribute knowledge generally isn’t the precise amount of evidence that has (maybe) been washing out whatever effect that a stakes manipulation has on people's judgments!

About the previous study nulls, people might be interested to know that I may have some evidence sympathetic to your stakes (aka flexi-evidence) hypothesis in bank cases. The result shows the force of something like Lewisean accommodation on people’s judgments when comparing knowledge assertions and denials across the otherwise very same cases. A draft of this is here: https://wfs.gc.cuny.edu/JBuckwalter/Buckwaler%20MAI.pdf

harvey brockman

Hi Angel,
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that we distinguish between "knowledge" on the one hand, and "what people say about knowledge" (or maybe: "how people use the word 'knowledge'") on the other. -- With which of these, or in what combination of these, is the epistemological theory, "Pragmatic encroachment", concerned? If "Encroachment" means to be a tool for predicting what 'the folk' will say in response, e.g., to questionnaire vignettes, isn't that obscured by saying, in description of it, "According to this new approach, knowledge is not purely an intellectual notion"? That is, wouldn't something like "According to this new approach, 'the folk' consider stakes when asked to ascribe 'knowledge'" be a happier description?

APinillos

@Wesley, that looks like a really interesting paper. We should talk about it. @Harvey and anon. Yes, the question on the relevance of folk judgments to substantive theories in epistemology is an important one and one we have discussed before in this blog. I used to like the idea that using 'knowledge' in a manner that is sensitive to stakes was part of one's semantic competence with the term. I am not sure about that now. However, the relevance of folk judgments to substantive questions in this domain can be attained under weaker assumptions. One such assumption is that for simple hypothetical cases (like the vignettes we ran), we should assume that people's attributions of knowledge are correct. In general and for simple cases, people are pretty good at attributing mental states. A discussion of this general topic which addresses Harvey's worries can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/napinillos/somerecentworkinexperimentalepistemology.pdf?attredirects=0

harvey brockman

Hi Angel,
Can you clarify what you mean by "we should assume that people's attributions of knowledge are correct"? Imagine we were concerned with beauty, instead of knowledge: We draw up some vignettes and submit them to the "folk" for scrutiny; do we "assume that people's attributions of beauty are correct?" Or we're interested in justice -- do we "assume that people's attributions of justice are correct?" Won't the "correct" in these cases (incl. that of 'knowledge') be used to refer to either (i) the correspondence of what the folk say (in response to our vignettes) with our epistemological theory ("pragmatic encroachment" or whatever the flavor-of-the-day is), or (ii) WHATEVER the folk do, in fact, say in response to our vignettes (that is, "correct" just is what the folk say: their responses define 'knowledge'.) When you say "In general and for simple cases, people are pretty good at attributing mental states", i understand the implication to be this: Philosophers or psychologists or neurobiologists (or whoever) know what there is to know about 'mental states' -- maybe like arithmeticians know what there is to know about addition -- and when they elicit the views of non-specialists they find out that the folk aren't so bad with 'mental states' themselves. The philosopher's interest, then, isn't in 'mental state' or 'knowledge' per se, but in the degree of correspondence BETWEEN the folks's use of 'knowledge' and the "correct" use of 'knowledge'. This makes sense if the folks's (actual) use of 'knowledge' isn't a criterion for the "correct" use of 'knowledge'. But when i read your description of "pragmatic encroachment" -- "According to this new approach, knowledge is not purely an intellectual notion" -- it is not clear to me whether such epistemological theories are to be used for predicting folk uses of 'knowledge', or for describing what we might call the "structure" of 'knowledge', or -- if both -- how the two are to be "connected-up". D'you know -- i think maybe something that lies behind my questions is the question "Is X-Phi a new (though we might look back at, e.g., the earlier part of Arne Naess's career) approach applied to old questions, or is it a rejection of old questions for new?" I'll take a look at that "somerecentwork" -- Thanks for the link. Regards, hb

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